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Ja, jeg tror det vigtigeste er, at den har plads til rødderne. Men den er nu blevet glad for gødningen!
Min peyote, som aldrig havde blomstret, satte 7 blomster i år, fordi jeg vandede den med brændenælde-gødningen! Den har ovenikøbet bestøvet sig selv og givet mig omkring 20 små frø, jeg vil spire til næste år!

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Man får jo lidt lyst til at prøve det med andre planter - det kunne være lidt vildt hvis du havde fundet en all around gødning, Fanny.

Skynd dig at patentere den ide :)


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opfindelsen er skal ikke Fannys :wink: Den virker desuden også ret godt som gødning til cannabis, specielt imod et skadedyr (spindemider? er ikke 100)..


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når man laver brændenælde gødning, laves det så ligesom brændenælesuppe altså koge dem og så bruger man bare vandet som gødning


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Nej opfindelsen af brændenælde-gødning er ikke min. Jeg fik det af min tidligere nabo, fra da jeg boede i kolonihavehus. Han var og er en entusiastisk økologisk freak, med hjemmesiden: http://www.slottet-i-smoermosen.com/ .

I den opskrift jeg fik, skulle man ikke koge brændenælderne.

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Nu sidder jeg lige og søger en masse på Salvia og støder ind i denne dejlige tråd. Regner med at bestille lidt forskelligt fra en smartshop snarest og på et tidspunkt efter mødet med svampene forsøge mig frem med små doser salvia for derefter måske at ryge den - growet må komme først.
I den forbindelse bliver jeg nød til at spørge hvor store potter du plantede om til Fanny? Hvor lang tid går der før det er godt at gøde dem og er det en reel nødvendighed?


Sidespørgsmål: Eftersom Salvia tygges og optages gennem slimhinderne og holdes forrest under tungen (right?) er det her nok et dumt spørgsmål da jeg også har læst at det ikke optages i mavesækken. Spørgsmålet kommer alligevel. Man vil ikke kunne lave te på det eller i den stil vel? For langsom optagelse til at få en rus gå jeg ud fra.


Harnz: Lækker hytte med planter :)


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Ville egentlig dele et informativt link med jer men opdage at der var tilhørende shop så irettesætter lige mig selv.

Der er en gut der beskriver hvordan man ved hjælp af polyesterreb kan holde ferie fra sin plante i, i hvert fald to uger og planten stadigvæk er strålende. Det gøres ved at sno rebet op gennem jorden mens man lægger jorden på. Derefter smides enden af rebet fra drænhullet ned i en vandbeholder som skal være så tæt på potten som muligt.

Nogle der har prøvet dette?

Han beskriver også hvordan man laver sit eget humidity system som vel er det samme som et mini-drivhus.

Han giver desuden forskellige dyrkningstips og anbefaler jordblandingen 25% perlite 25% vermiculte og jord med neutral ph for resten...


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So to start off, I’m going to give you my secret setup that will keep your plant healthy even if you forget to water, mist, or even if you go on vacation for 2 weeks.

First thing you will need is a very large clay pot. At least one foot in diameter for one plant and the larger pots for 2 or more plants. Remember that salvia like lots of room to spread her roots and doesn’t take well to transplanting too often. Take your rooted cutting or small plant and get it ready for transplanting. Take ¼" polyester rope (must be polyester, nylon or anything else probably won’t work) and put it in a pan of water for 10 minutes. Then feed it through the hole in the bottom of the pot so you only have 1-2 feet of rope hanging out the bottom. Then start spiraling it through the soil in the clay pot.

The easiest way to do this is to put a couple of inches of soil down and circle the rope around a couple inches from the sides and each time it nears itself put another layer of soil in. Remember it’s very important to leave about 1-2 feet of rope hanging out the bottom of the pot when you begin. As you approach the top with layers of soil and circling rope its time to put your rooted cutting or small plant in now. Once its in, keep spiraling the rope up to the top of the soil. Once the soil is level with the soil you transplanted in with the plant take the rope and circle it around the stem of the plant so it is flat with the top of the soil. If you look from the top it should look like a spiral. It should not look like you wrapped your plant in rope.

Then cover with soil until you cannot see the rope anymore. Next find yourself a milk crate or other platform with a hole in it to let the rope go through. Find an empty container around the house and put it under the platform and let the rope hang into it. The closer the water level is to the bottom of the pot the more efficient the wicking will work. Water your plant thoroughly to start the system. There you have it, you have just created a wicking system that will water your plants continuously at a rate they choose. A soil mix that works well with this system is ½ rich dark potting soil, (without vermiculite or perlite added) ¼ vermiculite, and ¼ or a bit more perlite. The richer the potting soil the better, which is much like the soil in Salvia’s native region. The vermiculite holds moisture and the perlite promotes aeration of the soil and along with the clay pot will make sure enough air gets to the roots.

With the wicking system outlined above you should never have to water the plant ever again, kind of. You do have to fill up the container of water when it gets low. And if the top of the soil dries out you should mist it until it moistens again. But depending on the size of your container you may not have to add water for weeks at a time. But do keep in mind as the water level gets lower, more rope is exposed to the air, and the less efficient the system becomes. But it can easily sustain a plant for weeks. You can even add your fertilizer right to the water container.

Now that you have watering under control the last thing to do is build a humidity tent. This is important especially if you just received your plant from a greenhouse or made a cutting. At this stage the plant is very used to high humidity and if you don’t keep it in a humidity tent at this point it will die. What I do, is get a bunch of 3 foot plastic rods/dowels (wood will work but be careful of mold and rot). I put about 5 in the pot along the sides at the very edge. This will hold up the plastic. Now the best size plastic I have found is the plastic window insulation kits. They are kind of expensive and substituting plastic drop cloths work just as well. The thing I like is that really good double stick tape comes with it. Put a layer of double stick tape to the outside of the clay pot a couple inches from the top. Stick the plastic to the tape and wrap it around the dowels. Take the extra plastic sticking up above the dowels and twist it into a knot.

There you go, you now have a very large pot, a large humidity tent and a teeny weenie little plant. Don’t worry, that’s exactly how it should be. If the humidity tent is too small mold will grow too quickly and not enough carbon dioxide will get to the plant. Once the plant starts growing at a good steady rate you can untie the tent and just leave it draped closed. Let that sit for about 2 weeks. Then start leaving it draped more and more open over the space of another 2 weeks. Finally let the top be completely open and let it grow like that for another 2 weeks. After that take out the dowels and roll the plastic down. You can either take the plastic off completely or leave it attached for when you go on vacation. When the plant no longer has a humidity tent on it make sure you mist it 1-2 times a day for a week. Then you can start to not mist quite as often. Once a day is still the best but even if its only once every 3 days it will be O.K., you may just have slight browning of the tips of the leaves. Nothing major though. Depending on where you live and your relative humidity you may need to go slower adapting it or mist more often.

So there it is, the no-brainer Salvia divinorum setup. If you need to go on vacation just put the humidity tent back up, seal it and fill up your container of water that feeds the wicking system. When you get back adapt her back to regular humidity. It won’t take as long as that first time but it still may take a bit of time. You also may want to give it a good watering at least once a month to refresh the system and wash out any accumulating salts.

The next part of this article will deal with common problems and solutions for growing Salvia divinorum, and a bit of extra info on growing it efficiently. Most of these are my approaches to problems I have experienced and have worked for me. They aren’t guaranteed to work for everyone but they should, very well in fact.

Humidity

One thing about Salvia divinorum is that it is readily adaptable to many different growing conditions. Everyone seems to think this plant will just keel over if the humidity is any lower then 50%. This is just not true. Salvia divinorum does like humidity, I’ll admit that, but she doesn’t NEED it. She will adapt to very low humidity situations if given time to adapt. The amazing part is that she makes a magical transformation in the way she looks when grown without high humidity. The picture of one of my plants below is a good example of this.

Notice the difference in the upper and lower leaves. The lower ones have a silvery haze around the main vein and are much darker green. They also seem to droop a bit more. Then there are the upper leaves that stand out flat and have a distinct shape and visible texture. Also they tend to be a bit lighter shade of green. These are not leaves from two different plant. They show the difference in leaves when grown in high and low humidity. The upper leaves were grown with low humidity and the lower leaves were grown with very high humidity. It’s absolutely amazing to me that a plant can completely change appearance with different growing conditions.

One interesting thing is that once a leaf has changed its appearance to a high humidity leaf like in the picture It doesn’t go back very easily. When adapting your plant to a new humidity or growing condition it actually needs to grow a whole new set of leaves. That’s why we adapted it in our system above so slowly. Those high humidity leaves will ALWAYS brown at the edges and tips, some more then others. There’s nothing you can do about it. Pick them off once you get a set of adapted leaves about medium size. These new leaves will be much more resilient to lower humidity conditions. Yet if you want them to go back to being high humidity leaves put them back in a humidity tent and they will slowly become much like the high humidity leaves. They just don’t go back… I’ve always wondered if the potency is different between the two types of leaves. Maybe I’ll find out in a future experiment.

So if your leaves are browning at the edges and tips you are either adapting it too quickly or you are looking at high humidity leaves. Are your newer low humidity leaves doing the same? If they are then you need to think about re-adjusting it slower or misting more often. Remember with each new leaf grown it will adapt better and better to the current growing conditions.

Another problem I have encountered and still don’t quite know why, is that in the evening my plants inside of the humidity tent will wilt. I just cut it back and made a cutting of it and it stopped. I think harvesting a few large leaves would also help. I think the reason this happens is that a high rate of water uptake by the roots is happening when the sun is beating on the leaves. When the light levels go down there isn’t as much transpiration going on pulling up water so the cells lose some of their turgidity and it wilts a bit. It always seems to perk back up in the morning though..

Watering

This is assuming you did not opt to go with the system I outlined above. If you are watering too much you may be starving the roots for air. A clay pot and perlite in the soil will help avoid this VERY common mistake with Salvia. A sure indication that you are over watering is the appearance of thin fuzzy roots criss-crossing the top of the soil. Salvia likes moist soil but needs a lot of air in the soil also. If you are watering too much, or have your pot sitting in a saucer that collects the draining water you will suffocate the roots and will soon have a problem with rot also. Never keep your plant in a saucer to catch draining water. It will wick up through the soil and not let air get to the roots. If you’ve caught the situation before rot sets in just let the soil start drying out.. Don’t water until the soil starts drying at the very top. Then water until its moist. This is always a bit tricky to know how much and when to water. That’s why the wicking system works so well. The plant and soil decides when it needs to bring up more water. The dryer the soil gets the more water will be wicked up, to a point. If the soil is saturated no more water will be brought up.

If you’ve watered too much for too long or let it sit in a pan of water, rot will eventually occur. There is no saving your original plant now.. It starts at the very bottom of the stem turning it brown and eventually mushy. The only way to save it now is to make as many cuttings as possible. Put them in little containers with moist soil in a plastic bag out of direct sunlight. Let them root and try again. You can root cuttings in various ways so I won’t go over that, especially since I haven’t found a perfect method myself.

Sunlight

Your Salvia divinorum needs light, but not a huge amount. If you adapt her slowly you can get her used to 4-5 hours of direct sunlight a day. But beware of sunburn. Sunburn at least on my plants appears as though a brown dye is injected from the stem into the leaves and moves toward the tip. It is a deep brown and is a bit mushy similar to what rotted leaves or stems look like. You will have to cut the sunburned portion off if it is too bad or it won’t regain its usual growth rate. Currently I have my plants next to a window that gets a ton of indirect sunlight but no direct sun. I think she is doing better now then when she got 2 hours of direct sun a day and shade the rest. I’ll have to wait and see if she actually is growing faster and better. But what I still recommend is at least 1-2 hours of direct morning or afternoon sun, and as much indirect sun as she can soak up. You can adjust her to more if you do it slowly though.

Growth and Development

Keep in mind that salvia will start off growing very slowly. Also every time you transplant it will take her a while to adjust and it will take time before she starts growing quickly again. I have found the larger she grows the faster she grows until she reaches her optimum growth rate. So just be patient and if you’ve already waited a month or two and she hasn’t sped up try a little fertilizer. Miracid or Miracle Gro work pretty well. The last thing that will inhibit Salvia growth is too small a pot. When I want to grow another plant for myself I usually root the cutting and then put that cutting directly into the pot it will have for a very long time. I may only have a 2 inch tall plant in a foot and a half diameter pot. This will ensure plenty of room for the roots to grow and also so I won’t have to transplant it. If the pot is too small it will become root bound or just slow down growth. Then when you re-pot it will take it time to get back to its regular growth rate.

Lastly when I first got my plant the leaves seemed to be yellow and thick and I prefer greener, more succulent leaves. So I started with a bit more fertilizer and gave it less light. I find the more shaded and humid it is the darker the leaves are.

Maximizing Leaf Output

Christmas tree growers do it. Shrubbery growers do it. Even YOU do it every time you cut your hedges. Its called pinching by some, but what is it and how does it work? Its very simple. At the very tip of a branch, stem, etc., there is a region called the apical meristem at the apical bud. This region is where all the cell division happens and new growth occurs. It also makes a chemical called Indole acetic acid (IAA). This chemical inhibits all the buds at the leaf nodes (where the leaf attaches to the stem) from growing. If the apical meristem creates a lot of IAA it has a high apical dominance and it usually only has one stem and no branches. Sunflowers are like this. If it has medium apical dominance and creates lower levels of IAA it has fewer branches at the top where the concentration of IAA is high and at the bottom it has many more branches where IAA concentration is lower. Christmas trees are like this. And finally plants with low apical dominance are very bushy and branch often. So how does all this botanical crap help you? Well very simply, if you remove the apical meristem you cut off the production of IAA from that bud. It then branches from that point and depending on how much IAA the lateral buds (lower buds at each node) make, your plant may branch at each node. So every time you take a cutting off Salvia divinorum it will branch at the highest intact node.
Even if you don’t want to take a cutting you can pinch that bud off and it will branch there. So instead of having a tall straight plant with only 4-8 large leaves near the top, it becomes more bushy and creates many more leaves. Just remember though that if you start too high it will get too heavy and break off. So start when it is only 6-8 inches or smaller so the stem can support the bushy growth. This is the very thing you do when you cut your hedges. Your cutting off the apical meristems and causing it to branch and fill out. By doing this to a Salvia divinorum plant you will also get a fuller leafier plant.

Salvia divinorum is a powerful regal plant that requires a special relationship from the people who grow her. It seems so weak and fragile yet so powerful. Although evolutionarily speaking it seems Salvia has not done as well as other plants, in fact the very substance that makes her so powerful may be her key to survival. Did she in fact create Salvinorin to attract humans to care for her? I would guess so, but either way we are now one being with separate realities. She joins mine when I care for and grow her and I join hers when I partake of her flesh. To truly know what Salvia divinorum is all about one must cultivate her. There are as many lessons in growing her as there are in the visions she uses to communicate to us. Hopefully by sharing information about her more people can enjoy having this wonderful plant ally in their homes.


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Hey Rock, tak for dine ord om drivhuset. Kom gerne forbi en dag, vi bor vist ikke så langt fra hinanden.

Du spurgte om the. Det har jeg aldrig hørt om, men her er lidt om andre orale muligheder.

TRADITIONELLE MAZATEC METODER
De to traditionelle mazatec metoder til indtagelse af Salvia Divinorum er ikke specielt effektive og de benyttes stort set ikke i den vestlige verden. De kræver store mængder blade og er besværlige, men på den anden side er de meget sikre. Traditionelt bliver bladene indtaget i forbindelse med en religiøs ceremoni i et halvmørkt rum. Mindst en person er til stede uden at indtage Salvia for at våge over de andre. En drik af helt friske blade er den ene metode til indtagelse af Salvia. Den kræver mange blade og smager ikke særlig godt. Salvinorin a. optages kun dårligt af kroppen fra mavesækken og derfor kræver det enorme mængder blade, men det virker og giver den længstvarende effekt. Den anden metode er at tygge og sluge store mængder friske blade. En portion tygges i ca. en halv time og selvom bladene normalt bliver slugt, så sker optagelsen af salvinorin a. gennem væv og slimhinde i munden. Denne metode er hård fordi bladene ikke smager godt og den halve time er lang tid at sidde med en stor klump blade i munden – det er næsten umuligt ikke at få noget af den bitre saft galt i halsen.

RULLEMETODEN
En bold eller cylinder bliver rullet og tygget langsomt – ca. et tyg hver 10 sekund. Bladene holdes under tungen mellem hvert tyg og processen varer ca. en halv time. Det er vigtigt at holde den saft der dannes af blade og spyt i munden hele tiden. Efter den halve time spyttes det hele ud. Hav en skål, vand og et håndklæde parat – Salviaen kan farve dit tøj eller tæppe! Ruller kan laves af både tørrede eller friske blade, men tørrede blade foretrækkes ofte fordi de er mindre bitre. Benytter man tørrede blade, så kræver det 2-8 gram. Hvis man ikke har en præcis vægt, så brug 8 – 28 store regulære blade. Effekten ved oral indtagelse kan forbedres ved at gøre mundhulen med modtagelig overfor salvinorin a. Man skal bruge en tandbørste og mundskyl med menthol/alkohol og børste hele munden og tungen med skyllevæsken. Det gør, at man fjerner døde celler som normalt er til stede i mundhulens overflader. Skyl munden i ca. 30 sek. efter børstningen med skyllevæsken og afslut med et skyl af rent vand. Som regel sker der intet de første 15 minutter ved tygning af Salvia blade. Den fulde effekter kommer først efter 30 minutter – omkring det tidspunkt hvor bladene bliver spyttet ud.


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Det lyder helt fantastisk med dine Salvia-frø Fanny, er nogle af dem spiret?

Jeg hev lige fat i bogen "Økologisk plantebeskyttelse" af Schmid & Henggeler. Her er nogle nogle fine opskrifter på gødning af udtræk:

Der skelnes mellem gødning af gærede urter, udtræk, afkog og ekstrakt. Ekstrakt er den nemmeste metode - og også den der kan benyttes med lettilgængelige urter som brændenælder og mælkebøtter.

For både mælkebøtte og brændenælder gælder:

1 kg. friske planter til 10 liter vand. Røres grundigt, må ikke stå i mere end tre dage.


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Ayers Rock skrev:
I den forbindelse bliver jeg nød til at spørge hvor store potter du plantede om til Fanny? Hvor lang tid går der før det er godt at gøde dem og er det en reel nødvendighed?


Jeg plantede salvia planterne over i potter der var 18 cm i diameter (for oven) og 17 cm høje.

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Det lyder helt fantastisk med dine Salvia-frø Fanny, er nogle af dem spiret?


Det var nu ikke salviafrø, men peyotefrø. Salvia er så vidt jeg ved steril og sætter ikke blomster.

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Hey Rock, tak for dine ord om drivhuset. Kom gerne forbi en dag, vi bor vist ikke så langt fra hinanden.


Selv tak, og det andet kunne da godt være en mulighed, skriver måske en dag.

harnz skrev:
Du spurgte om the. Det har jeg aldrig hørt om, men her er lidt om andre orale muligheder.


Det lyder meget spændende, og hvis folk gør det må der næsten være en grund til det. Nu er jeg så som sagt lidt grøn på området så det er meget svært at sige noget om i form af rygning. Men regner med blot at dyrke mig en plante og starte med små doser oralt da det skulle være stærke sager, evt. udarbejdet lettere ud fra succesfulde triprapporter.


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Sally skal spises - ikke brændes af. Sådan vil hun helst have det :-)


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Salvia er så vidt jeg ved steril og sætter ikke blomster.

Hilsen Fanny


Det er jeg ret sikker på den gør?
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Salvia d. går en sjælden gang imellem i blomst. Meget sjældent, så det bedste er stadigvæk at klone


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Hehe, du har citeret lidt forkert synes du ikke?


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