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Håber i ser programmet på DR2 om oprindelsen til aids og abenyreceller og poliovascinerede børn i afrika børn

Det her viser virkelig noget om medicinalmedicinensmetoder


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Jeg fik det desværre ikke set, men jeg finder det meget interessant. Godt at du for engang ser noget, der ikke bare er frembragt af tre nørders parnoide hashpsykose (jvf. dine yndlinge fra Prisonplanet.)

Dog vil jeg gerne advare imod at tage programmet som noget endeligt bevis for det ene eller det andet. Man kan IMO ikke drage den konklusion, at fordi nogle medicinalfirmaer har anvendt chimpanser til at lave medicin mod kopper og dermed har frembragt AIDS (nu er det jo svært som lægmand at vurdere hvorvidt det er rigtigt eller forkert), så er hele industrien fuldstændig korrumperet af penge, og de bare allesammen ønsker at tjene penge no matter what.

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Skuffende at der ikke er flere som har set udsendelserne på TV om historien bag Aids....

her er en meget god side som fortæller en del om Aids:

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Is AIDS Man-Made Genocide?

(updated April 9, 2004)

[Another AIDS Cure Outed?] [AIDS=Genocide Also, & Hollywood Won't Say So!]

Regardless of the continual promotion of the misleading spin about the alleged link of the HIV virus to African monkeys, from the research information available, the conclusion must be made that AIDS has always been man-made, and the only question is for people to prove to themselves exactly who made it and why.

AIDS is man-made says the homosexual M.D. Dr. Alan Cantwell Jr. in his book "Queer Blood: The Secret AIDS Genocide Plot" (Aries Rising Press, P.O. Box 29532, Los Angeles, California 90029, Phone: 213-462-6458) and in the series based on his book published on the Internet by the homosexual organization Gay Today, the first installation which can be found at Queer Blood Genocide: First in a Series, as part of an AIDS Series on the "AIDS is man-made" conspiracy theory:

"Queer Blood: The Secret AIDS Genocide Plot" by Dr. Alan Cantwell Jr., M.D. - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/091721126X/
Queer Blood Genocide: First in a Series - http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/h ... 0997he.htm
AIDS Series - http://www.gaytoday.com/garchive/hiv-aids.htm
AIDS Series - http://www.gaytoday.com/garchive/series.asp?series=hiv

While Dr. Cantwell has done quality work in exposing some of the origins of AIDS, Dr. Boyd E. Graves has also done ground breaking work, specifically in the uncovering of a special virus flowchart that he claims decisively identifies the true origin of the AIDS virus, and furthermore claims that Dr. Cantwell, and a Dr. Len Horowitz, have been a roadblock towards the uncovering of even more details into that infamous origin:

Boyd E. Graves vs. The President of the United States of America - http://www.boydgraves.com/
1971 Special Virus Flowchart - http://www.boydgraves.com/flowchart/
Mycoplasma Visna: The Scientific Name of AIDS - http://www.boydgraves.com/class/day97.html
The History of the Development of AIDS - http://www.boydgraves.com/timeline/

Dr. Graves also claims that the scientific name for AIDS is Mycoplasma Visna, and that a cure for the virus has long been patented, U.S. Patent Number 5,676,977 (Antelman Technologies Ltd. - Jan. 98, 5,676,977: drugs known as Tetrasil/Imusil), some of that information which can be found at the following links:

A Cure for AIDS/HIV? - http://www.prweb.com/releases/?00000032492
Antiviral Agents Bulletin 1997 U.S. Patent Indexes - Assignee - http://www.bioinfo.com/aab97patassindex.html
Antiviral Agents Bulletin 1997 U.S. Patents - Virus/Disease Index - http://www.bioinfo.com/aab97patvirdis.html
Natural Strategies Against Aids and other Immunilogical Conditions [ed: scan on 5676977] - http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/natstrat.html

Additional AIDS research links:
AIDS: Quirk of Nature or Mass Murder? - http://aidsbiowar.com/
Biowarfare - http://www.sonic.net/~doretk/ArchiveARC ... rfare.html
The AIDS Conspiracy - http://www.sonic.net/~doretk/ArchiveARC ... /Aids.html
AIDS: A Doctor's Note on the Man-Made Theory - http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/46a.htm
HIV & AIDS - Rethinking AIDS WebSite - http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/index.htm

While both Dr. Graves and Dr. Cantwell have done ground breaking research, both authors seem to link conceptual origins of the genocidal disease known as AIDS back to commonly-held but misleading genocidal doctrines, and both have failed to identify the true source behind this disease, and a long-running historical attempt to subjugate people of color and homosexual people.

To summarize all the research information available, the agent that causes the disease known as AIDS was created under Project MK-Naomi at the Ft. Dietrick, Maryland United States government laboratories, under the direction and supervision of agents of the Illuminati and International Communism who had ties to certain religious institutions. And while the research information compiled and exposed by Dr. Cantwell and Dr. Graves can convince even the most skeptical of people, it is also interesting to note that such celebrities as Spike Lee, Grace Jones, and Steven Seagall also believe that AIDS is man-made, and Seagall has even written a screenplay about the AIDS is man-made conspiracy theory which he has said has been rejected by Hollywood, by some of the same people whom Dr. Cantwell implicates as part of the conspiracy theory in his book.

At the same time, some religions assert that when you cannot directly kill homosexuals, that you should try to make them kill themselves, and then blame their suicide on their lifestyle. It is this atmosphere of homophobia around children that can foster hopelessness and despair, and can be a catalyst to teen suicide both by children who think they are heterosexual and who think they are homosexual. And those religions and their followers who declare AIDS as "God's" punishment upon homosexuals, would be benefited by a study of AIDS demographics throughout the world and understand that in Africa, AIDS is primarily a heterosexual disease, and not a homosexual disease.

Homosexuals have always been the natural enemy of communists, and communists have always hated homosexuals. International communism and some communist religions have used homosexuals to accomplish their purposes, then communists and communist religions have setup homosexuals for extermination in one way or another, and then communists and religions have tried to make it appear that homosexuals were the cause of their own death and guilty of their own destruction. However, communists have always hated homosexuals, and so do many religions, and they apparently hate them to the death. And communism and communist religions work closely together, and agree on the majority of their goals and ideals.

Homosexuals should research into the long history of cruel treatment of homosexuals by communist governments such as Cuba, and Communist China, and the old Soviet Union, among many others, and if they do they could learn that the doctrine of communism has had no good use for homosexuals, who might try to contribute to their society in a way that could eventually lead to some sort of cultural revolution and the unseating of communist government in favor of liberty-inspired forms.

Additionally, people who claim that the promotion of homosexuality and alleged "alternative lifestyles" is part of the agenda of the globalization plans of the New World Order, and part of a plan to destroy all world governments and religions, might be benefited by asking questions regarding why the same such forces would at the same time create and distribute a disease that was initially targeted specifically at homosexuals and Africans. Answers to such questions might be more easily discerned through an examination of the many doctrines of the world, as part of an attempt to identify doctrines that have historically identified homosexuals and Africans as inferior people who deserve to be enslaved and/or killed, and who have also historically been in favor of a centralized one-world government under the control of the existing world power structure. Inevitably, the answer to the questions as to who really created AIDS, and why, may be found in a common element that has as its goals both the subjugation/destruction of people whom they consider as inferior and at the same time the creation and enforcement of certain centralized forms of socialist/communist world government.

The conclusion in the matter is that AIDS genocide is part of the agenda of the globalization plans of the New World Order to support their allies and destroy their enemies, and the identified enemies in this matter are Africans and Homosexuals. Historical research to determine who have long considered Africans and Homosexuals as enemies deserving of death and subjugation, would go far towards identifying all of the allied parties responsible in this obviously genocidal matter.

Overall, this is an issue that deserves attention, and people will apparently have to prove it to themselves, because that is the only way that they will become convinced about what the information proves. And whenever people try to divert other people away from certain types of research, or suggest that they throw the baby out with the bath water, then they do not have the well-being of those other people in mind.
Another Aids Cure Outed?

(updated June 25, 2002)

An article in the London Sunday Times on December 26, 1999 entitled "British baby is given world's first gene cure" and previously located at the web page http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/page ... 02012.html, reported the following:

"Shah was born with a form of Severe Combined Immuno-Deficiency (SCID), in which a single defective gene prevents the manufacture of T-lymphocytes, the white "killer" cells that circulate in the blood and lymph to fight off invading microbes."

"The technique used for Shah was a standard one employed in many other trials - suggesting other successes will follow. It involves stripping a harmless retrovirus of some of its genes and replacing them with the correct version of the defective gene that causes a disease. The virus is introduced to the body to infect the target tissues. The advantage of using viruses as a "vector" is that they have been honed by evolution to break into cells and incorporate their genes into the cells' DNA."

"Gene therapy also offers the possibility of curing diseases such as cancer and heart disease - but despite dozens of trials around the world it has never yet been proven to work."
AIDS=Genocide Also, & Hollywood Won't Say So!

Yes, and why won't they?

Regardless of the continual promotion of the misleading spin about the alleged link of the HIV virus to African monkeys, from the research information available, the conclusion must be made that AIDS has always been man-made, and the only question is for people to prove to themselves exactly who made it and why.

AIDS is man-made says the homosexual M.D. Dr. Alan Cantwell Jr. in his book "Queer Blood: The Secret AIDS Genocide Plot" and in the series based on his book published on the Internet by the homosexual organization Gay Today, the first installation which can be found at Queer Blood Genocide: First in a Series, as part of an AIDS Series on the "AIDS is man-made" conspiracy theory:

"Queer Blood: The Secret AIDS Genocide Plot" by Dr. Alan Cantwell Jr., M.D.

Queer Blood Genocide: First in a Series

AIDS Series

AIDS Series

While Dr. Cantwell has done quality work in exposing some of the origins of AIDS, African-American Dr. Boyd E. Graves has also done ground breaking work, specifically in the uncovering of a special virus flowchart that he claims decisively identifies the true origin of the AIDS virus, and furthermore claims that Dr. Cantwell, and a Dr. Len Horowitz, have been a roadblock towards the uncovering of even more details of that infamous origin:

Boyd E. Graves vs. The President of the United States of America

1971 Special Virus Flowchart

Mycoplasma Visna: The Scientific Name of AIDS

The History of the Development of AIDS

Dr. Graves also claims that the scientific name for AIDS is Mycoplasma Visna, and that a cure for the virus has long been patented, U.S. Patent Number 5,676,977 (Antelman Technologies Ltd. - Jan. 98, 5,676,977: drugs known as Tetrasil/Imusil), some of that information which can be found at the following links:

A Cure for AIDS/HIV?
Antiviral Agents Bulletin 1997 U.S. Patent Indexes - Assignee
Antiviral Agents Bulletin 1997 U.S. Patents - Virus/Disease Index
Natural Strategies Against Aids and other Immunilogical Conditions [ed: scan on 5676977]

Additional AIDS research links:
AIDS: Quirk of Nature or Mass Murder?
Biowarfare
The AIDS Conspiracy
AIDS: A Doctor's Note on the Man-Made Theory
HIV & AIDS - Rethinking AIDS WebSite

While both Dr. Graves and Dr. Cantwell have done ground breaking research, both authors have failed to identify the true source behind the disease, originating in a long-running historical attempt to subjugate people of color and homosexual people.

To summarize all the research information available, the agent that causes the disease known as AIDS was created under Project MK-Naomi at the Ft. Dietrick, Maryland United States government laboratories, under the direction and supervision of agents of certain secret societies connected to international communism and connected to certain religious institutions. And while the research information compiled and exposed by Dr. Cantwell and Dr. Graves can convince even the most skeptical of people, it is also interesting to note that celebrities such as Spike Lee, Grace Jones, and Steven Seagall also believe that AIDS is man-made, and Seagall has even written a screenplay about the AIDS is man-made conspiracy theory which he has said has been rejected by Hollywood.

Once again, Hollywood exhibits it's genocidal attitudes towards gays and bisexuals.

The conclusion in the matter is that AIDS genocide is part of the agenda of the globalization plans of the NEW WORLD ORDER and THE EMPIRE to support their allies and destroy their enemies, and the identified enemies in this matter are Africans and Homosexuals. Historical research to determine who have long considered Africans and Homosexuals as enemies deserving of death and subjugation, would go far towards identifying all of the allied parties responsible in this obviously genocidal matter.

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Hmm, hvis Dr. Graves har sandheden til verden i sit flowchart fra 1971 hvorfor vil han så have penge før man kan downloade eller printe det ud? :lol:


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To summarize all the research information available, the agent that causes the disease known as AIDS was created under Project MK-Naomi at the Ft. Dietrick, Maryland United States government laboratories, under the direction and supervision of agents of the Illuminati and International Communism who had ties to certain religious institutions.


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To summarize all the research information available, the agent that causes the disease known as AIDS was created under Project MK-Naomi at the Ft. Dietrick, Maryland United States government laboratories, under the direction and supervision of agents of the Illuminati and International Communism who had ties to certain religious institutions.


Siger hva?

At der findes magtfulde familier og karteller som styre verden ved hjælp af kontrolerede-katastrofer og krige?

Glem ikke at frygt er en af de største motivationsmidler magtfulde ledere kan benytte til at styre folk med

Se f.eks. alle de muslimske religiøse ledere hvilken magt de har over deres folk, det kan de takke de mange blodsfejder, klanstridigheder, konflikter med vesten osv. for

De vestelige politikere investere også deres indflydelse i frygt, f.eks. for terrorismen, for sovjet (omvendt investere sovjet i frygten for vesten osv)

Ved at dele folk op i to lejre kan begge de to modstridende ledere have fordel af en konflikt og en konfrontation, ligesom et spil skak, hvor folket er brikker som ofres for tilgodtbefindende for at opnå et støre overordnet mål som har gået i familie arv fra søn til søn fra meget magtfulde familier medlemmer af meget magtfulde broderskaber...¨'

Ville det ikke være naivt at benægte den slags sammenhænge?
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To summarize all the research information available, the agent that causes the disease known as AIDS was created under Project MK-Naomi at the Ft. Dietrick, Maryland United States government laboratories, under the direction and supervision of agents of the Illuminati and International Communism who had ties to certain religious institutions.


Siger hva?

At der findes magtfulde familier og karteller som styre verden ved hjælp af kontrolerede-katastrofer og krige?

Glem ikke at frygt er en af de største motivationsmidler magtfulde ledere kan benytte til at styre folk med

Se f.eks. alle de muslimske religiøse ledere hvilken magt de har over deres folk, det kan de takke de mange blodsfejder, klanstridigheder, konflikter med vesten osv. for

De vestelige politikere investere også deres indflydelse i frygt, f.eks. for terrorismen, for sovjet (omvendt investere sovjet i frygten for vesten osv)

Ved at dele folk op i to lejre kan begge de to modstridende ledere have fordel af en konflikt og en konfrontation, ligesom et spil skak, hvor folket er brikker som ofres for tilgodtbefindende for at opnå et støre overordnet mål som har gået i familie arv fra søn til søn fra meget magtfulde familier medlemmer af meget magtfulde broderskaber...¨'

Ville det ikke være naivt at benægte den slags sammenhænge?
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mvh.


Du er simpelthen for dum at høre på. Du kommer med det ene latterlige link efter det andet og når nogen sætter spørgsmålstegn ved det, så siger du noget helt andet som ikke har en skid med sagen at gøre. DER ER INGEN BEVISER FOR DINE LATTERLIGE TEORIER, SÅ FAT DOG AT DU ER UDE AT SKIDE.

Beklager, men min tålmodighed overfor conspiracy-nuts der tror de ved mere end alle andre er simpelthen op brugt, så jeg var nødt til at sige det. Fortsæt bare jeres diskussion.


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Hmm, nu kan det godt være, at det bare er mig der har svært ved at se pointen i at have verdensherredømmet. Hvad skal man bruge det til?


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Hmm, nu kan det godt være, at det bare er mig der har svært ved at se pointen i at have verdensherredømmet. Hvad skal man bruge det til?


Et fascistisk verdensrige, ligesom lidt i stil med the empire i star wars...

Nogen mennesker er kontrol freaks, de vil gerne styre verden, fordi at de i virkeligheden ikke kan styre sig selv, tingene bliver vedt udaf så at sige, det er mennesker i ubalance.... Som tror at det er vejen frem at stræbe efter verdensmagten, det er som med rigdom, man bliver ikke mæt, eller rettere nogen gør ikke, og så stræber de efter mere fordi at de er tomme indvendigt....

Det er ligesom med mafian de går efter magt


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Jeg tror ikke på at HIV/AIDS er menneskeskabt, men jeg er overbevist om at en kur sagtens kan udvikles hvis der bliver lagt penge og kræfter i arbejdet. Problemet er bare at det er medicinalINDUSTRIEN der styrer salg og uddeling af medicin. For dem er HIV/AIDS en pengemaskine: så længe der er købere(syge), er der et marked.


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Astral, jeg så programmet og jeg mener journalisten havde en meget overbevisende sag. En skam de endelige beviser ikke findes længere.


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Jeg tror ikke på at HIV/AIDS er menneskeskabt, men jeg er overbevist om at en kur sagtens kan udvikles hvis der bliver lagt penge og kræfter i arbejdet. Problemet er bare at det er medicinalINDUSTRIEN der styrer salg og uddeling af medicin. For dem er HIV/AIDS en pengemaskine: så længe der er købere(syge), er der et marked.


Hvad snakker du om?! For det første er AIDS ingen særlig pengemaskine i forhold til andre sygdomme, da langt de fleste der har det ikke selv har råd til medicinen.

For det andet bliver der gjort en hel masse for at finde en kur, men pga. virusens karakter er det en meget svær og meget dyr proces.

Og ja, medicinalindustrien tjener måske penge på AIDS, men nu er der jo tale om flere konkurrerende firmaer, og hvis et firma fandt kuren mod AIDS, så ville de sgu nok tjene mange flere penge på den end de gør på de midler der er nu.


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Jeg tror ikke på at HIV/AIDS er menneskeskabt, men jeg er overbevist om at en kur sagtens kan udvikles hvis der bliver lagt penge og kræfter i arbejdet. Problemet er bare at det er medicinalINDUSTRIEN der styrer salg og uddeling af medicin. For dem er HIV/AIDS en pengemaskine: så længe der er købere(syge), er der et marked.


Hvad snakker du om?! For det første er AIDS ingen særlig pengemaskine i forhold til andre sygdomme, da langt de fleste der har det ikke selv har råd til medicinen.

For det andet bliver der gjort en hel masse for at finde en kur, men pga. virusens karakter er det en meget svær og meget dyr proces.

Og ja, medicinalindustrien tjener måske penge på AIDS, men nu er der jo tale om flere konkurrerende firmaer, og hvis et firma fandt kuren mod AIDS, så ville de sgu nok tjene mange flere penge på den end de gør på de midler der er nu.


Ak ja... Du er idealist - Men desvære tror jeg ikke at realiteterne er sådan som du siger (og som de burde... Farmaceutindustrien er kartelstyret og den har tætte forbindelser til våbenindustrien, olieindustrien og den kemiske industri generelt...

Det er de store som bestemmer inden for handelslivet og farmaceutindustrien er ingen undtagelse, Jeg har hørt at Shamanerne fra Syd Amerika (sikkert også andre steder) også siger at Aids er en af de få ting som de har sværest ved at få bugt med Okay man kan så debattere om det er et videnskabeligt argument :D

Hvis nogen kommer med en kur så skal de nok regne med at blive presset til enten at holde kæft og modtage en enorm sum penge eller man vil forsøge at latterliggøre personens opdagelser og sige at de ikke er videnskabeligt begrundede...

Hvis det er videnskaben (og dens erklærede forbindelse til farmaceutindustrien) som defindere videnskabeligt standartest, så kan de også bevidst tilbageholde bevismateriale, ligesom det bliver gjort med alternativ oliefri energi, selv om de ikke kan gøre det for evigt, brint moteren kommer, men det har været muligt at bygge den i meget lang tid


I en sag som denne her må man se på motiv og i stort set enhver kapitalistisk industri medregnet farmaceutindustrien, der er det primære at tjene penge og det kapitalistiske system understøtter Darwins teori om udvælgelse af de stærkeste 'alpha males' men problemet er at her er der ikke tale om enkeltpersoner men gigantiske multinationalekarteler som dominere kontinenter rundt på kloden...

Det er ikke fair konkurende hvis grupper og organisationer har samme rettigheder som enkeltpersoner, en enkeltperson vil være meget ulig stillet i en sådan situation - Der er et helt åbenlyst problem med den individualistiske og liberalistiske udvikling fordi at autoritetstroen er så enorm stor at få magtfulde organisationer med aggitatore kan manipulere med store massemængder og på den måde virke direkte i kulturlivet

Hvis folk sagde at de godt kunne lave deres egne små samfund i samfundet så ville systemet være lammet og det er det de frygter allermest, men det vil også betyde en katastrofe hvis det sker på en alt for drastisk sæt med for lidt tid til at man er istand til at integrere de nye samfundsformer i det gamle samfundt, jeg tror måske enda at en hel eller delvis deling og polarisering

Er der nogens om har noget forslag eller idé om en teoretisk analysemodel af den nuværende samfundsudvikling?

Jeg mener helt fundamentalt at man bør holde retsliv, åndsliv og næringsliv adskilt så man undgår den koruption, denne indfiltrering og sammenvikling den nuværende situation forårsager en åbning af, hvorved det tydeligt ses at den nuværende magtplacering af mafiaen er en helt central tema (ikke mindst i Amerikas historie før, under og efter verdenskrigene)


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Astral, jeg ved godt, at du elsker konspirationsteorier, men nogle gange burde du måske tage et kritisk syn på, hvad det egentlig er du skriver.
Du forklarer jo på ingen måde hvorfor der ikke vil blive udviklet en vaccine mod AIDS? Som Fenriz påpeger ville det helt klart være i medicinalindustriens interesse at udvikle en vaccine, så de kunne tjene penge på den! Du har ret i, at de store korporationer er meget grådige, hvilket sagen om patentmedicin viser, men de er ikke dumme (udfra en rational choice teori.) Hvis der kom en ung forsker, der havde udviklet en kur mod AIDS, så ville et af de store firmaer nok betale ham for at arbejde for dem, så de kunne tjene massere af penge på hans opfindelse.

De såkaldte "tætte forbindelser" mellem medicinal-, våben- og olieindustrien opfatter jeg som et udslag af dine parnoide vrangforestillinger. Et godt råd ville være at skære lidt ned på den dejlige urt...

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