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Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President







By Neil Mackay






A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure 'regime change' even before he took power in January 2001.

The blueprint, uncovered by the Sunday Herald, for the creation of a 'global Pax Americana' was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W Bush's younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, was written in September 2000 by the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC).


The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says: 'The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'


The PNAC document supports a 'blueprint for maintaining global US pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests'.


This 'American grand strategy' must be advanced for 'as far into the future as possible', the report says. It also calls for the US to 'fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars' as a 'core mission'.


The report describes American armed forces abroad as 'the cavalry on the new American frontier'. The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document written by Wolfowitz and Libby that said the US must 'discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role'.


The PNAC report also:


l refers to key allies such as the UK as 'the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership';


l describes peace-keeping missions as 'demanding American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations';


l reveals worries in the administration that Europe could rival the USA;


l says 'even should Saddam pass from the scene' bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently -- despite domestic opposition in the Gulf regimes to the stationing of US troops -- as 'Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has';


l spotlights China for 'regime change' saying 'it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia'. This, it says, may lead to 'American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratisation in China';


l calls for the creation of 'US Space Forces', to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent 'enemies' using the internet against the US;


l hints that, despite threatening war against Iraq for developing weapons of mass destruction, the US may consider developing biological weapons -- which the nation has banned -- in decades to come. It says: 'New methods of attack -- electronic, 'non-lethal', biological -- will be more widely available ... combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes ... advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool';


l and pinpoints North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes and says their existence justifies the creation of a 'world-wide command-and-control system'.


Tam Dalyell, the Labour MP, father of the House of Commons and one of the leading rebel voices against war with Iraq, said: 'This is garbage from right-wing think-tanks stuffed with chicken-hawks -- men who have never seen the horror of war but are in love with the idea of war. Men like Cheney, who were draft-dodgers in the Vietnam war.


'This is a blueprint for US world domination -- a new world order of their making. These are the thought processes of fantasist Americans who want to control the world. I am appalled that a British Labour Prime Minister should have got into bed with a crew which has this moral standing.'











Web report: Iraq


15 September 2002



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http://www.lcisp.com/cloefke/html/skullandbones.html



"Bush was working with the now-famous CIA agent, Felix Rodriguez, recruiting right-wing Cuban exiles for the invasion of Cuba. It was Bush's CIA job to organize the Cuban community in Miami for the invasion.... A newly discovered FBI document reveals that George Bush was directly involved in the 1963 murder of President John Kennedy. The document places marksmen by the CIA. Bush at that time lived in Texas. Hopping from Houston to Miami weekly, Bush spent 1960 and '61 recruiting Cubans in Miami for the invasion....


"George Bush claims he never worked for the CIA until he was appointed Director by former Warren Commission director and then president Jerry Ford in 1976. Logic suggests that is highly unlikely. Of course, Bush has a company duty to deny being in the CIA. The CIA is a secret organization. No one ever admits to being a member. The truth is that Bush has been a top CIA official since before the 1961 invasion of Cuba, working with Felix Rodriguez. Bush may deny his actual role in the CIA in 1959, but there are records in the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba that expose Bush's role..."


On the Watergate tapes, June 23, 1972, referred to in the media as the 'smoking gun' conversation, Nixon and his Chief of Staff, H.R. Haldeman, were discussing how to stop the FBI investigation into the CIA Watergate burglary. They were worried that the investigation would expose their connection to 'the Bay of Pigs thing.' Haldeman, in his book "The Ends of Power", reveals that Nixon always used code words when talking about the 1963 murder of JFK. Haldeman said Nixon would always refer to the assassination as 'the Bay of Pigs'.



http://members.aol.com/vtpa/bushcri.html



Prescott Bush was a firm believer in eugenics, (the study of genetic improvement through selecting parents, or racial superiority) which was very common among the influential families at the start of the twentieth century -- of course we are all more familiar with the eugenics "studies" done by the Nazis. William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany in 1937, said, "I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi Regime." Which "ruling families" was he referring to? Well, Old Prescott was convicted by the U.S. government under the Trading With The Enemy Act in 1942 and fined one million dollars. Brown Brothers, Harriman's affiliate Union Bank -- of which Prescott was director -- invested huge sums of money into Thyssen Steel, the backbone of Nazi steel production.

http://www.pnac.info/blog/archives/000045.html



This story from PBS/Frontline's "The War Behind Closed Doors" highlights excerpts from Paul Wolfowitz's then-controversial "Defense Planning Guidance" draft. Since then, many of the goals in the draft have become the hallmarks of the Bush foreign policy doctrine.



From the Frontline page:



The 46-page classified document circulated for several weeks at senior levels in the Pentagon. But controversy erupted after it was leaked to The New York Times and The Washington Post and the White House ordered then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney to rewrite it.



Three primary points from the draft:



· The number one objective of U.S. post-Cold War political and military strategy should be preventing the emergence of a rival superpower.



· Another major U.S. objective should be to safeguard U.S. interests and promote American values.



· If necessary, the United States must be prepared to take unilateral action.


For Those Who Care About Our Future

http://www.wanttoknow.info/emailmk



A declassified CIA document dated 7 Jan 1953 describes the experimental creation of multiple personality in two 19-year old girls. “These subjects have clearly demonstrated that they can pass from a fully awake state to a deep H [hypnotic] controlled state by telephone, by receiving written matter, or by the use of code, signal, or words, and that control of those hypnotized can be passed from one individual to another without great difficulty. It has also been shown by experimentation with these girls that they can act as unwilling couriers for information purposes.” (CIA Mori ID 190684, 1/7/53)







Another declassified document dated 10 Feb 1954 describes an experiment of relevance to the creation of unsuspecting assassins: “Miss [whited out] was instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken miss [whited out] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep). Failing this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss [whited out]. She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to “kill” [whited out] for failing to awaken. Miss [whited out] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded) gun at [whited out] and then proceeded to fall into a deep sleep. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened. Miss [whited out] expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened.” (CIA Mori ID 190691, 2/10/54)







These are just two of the many disturbing experiments which reveal incredible abuse of power on unsuspecting citizens for over 50 years now. To order these documents directly from the government, go to http://www.WantToKnow.info/mindcontrol10pg#ciadocs. The 18,000 pages of documents released are only the tip of the iceberg. There are many thousands of pages that the CIA refuses to release. There are even more documents that were ordered destroyed by CIA Director Richard Helms in 1973 when he was tipped off that there was going to be a Congressional investigation into the CIA’s mind control activities.


http://www.datafilter.com/mc/mkultraChildren.html








MKULTRA Subprojects Involving Children



These are some excerpts dealing with MKULTRA experiments on children, and the surviving MKULTRA files in general. They are from the book Bluebird: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists, by Colin Ross, MD, 2000. Ross definitely pulls his punches with regard to the CIA: He does not focus the blame on the Agency for its torture of domestic "free" citizens. Nonetheless, he does hold medical professionals and especially psychiatrists and psychologists accountable for their violations of their Hippocratic Oaths. For this reason, and because of his impeccable research, I still highly recommend the book despite a few apologist-sounding passages with regard to the CIA's culpability for such crimes. Thanks Colin, for doing this thankless research. The book is available at amazon.com among other places.




For further excerpts from the book concerning the possible use of children in "Manchurian Candidate" experiments, see MKULTRA Hypnosis and Manchurian Candidate Projects.










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[p.56-57]



The medical profession and the leading academic institutions where mind control research was done have not yet provided a meaningful public accounting, financial or ethical, of this experimentation. This is one of the reasons that the entire medical profession and academic community is implicated in the story.



Like the Tuskeegee Syphilis Study and the radiation research, MKULTRA involved direct experimentation on children without informed consent being given by their parents or guardians. In the case of the Tuskeegee Study, children were harmed by preventable congenital syphilis. In the radiation experiments they were harmed through direct exposure after birth or in utero exposure during experiments on their mothers.



Four of the MKULTRA Subprojects involved research on children; 102, 103, 112, and 117. Only one of these, Subproject 117, involved an investigator with TOP SECRET clearance. The fact that the CIA funded research on children has not been documented previously. Given that the mind control research declassified to date is certainly an incomplete account of everything done, it is unknown whether other mind control experimentation was unethical or harmful. An unanswered question is whether children were ever subjects in Manchurian Candidate experiments.



The four MKULTRA Subprojects on children were benign and did not involve unethical experiments. Subproject 102 was conducted by Muzafer Sherif of the University of Oklahoma. It involved studies of social processes in teenage gangs in two cities. Subjects were 14 to 17 years of age and were studied by having social science students "hang out" with them. One student showed up at a basketball court with a new basketball and explained that he wanted to exercise to lose some weight. Observations were made about how group cohesiveness was maintained, how members were selected, status ranking of members, behavioral sanctions within the group, and similar matters. The CIA's interest in this Subproject is not stated in the documents, but one can assume it was relevant to understanding and manipulating social groups during psychological warfare and propaganda operations.



Subproject 103 was conducted by Robert Cormack and A.B. Kristofferson at the Children's International Summer Villages, Inc. in Maine. The subjects were 16 to 21 years of age and were there for a reunion; all had attended the camp in previous years as 11-year olds. The academic purpose of the project was to study how children communicate when they do not share a common language. The CIA was interested in the project as a cover for establishing relationships with children from a variety of countries. Obviously, the intent was to recruit them as agents or assets. A MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD from the Subproject 103 documents dated 10 December 1959 states that:



It is felt that this project will support the [whited out] need for cover. In addition it will assist in the identification of promising young foreign nationals and U.S. nationals (many of whom are now in their late teens) who may at any time be of direct interest to the Agency.... No cleared or witting persons are concerned with the conduct of this project.





The principal investigator for MKULTRA Subproject 112 was Melvin DeFleur of the the University of Indiana. He studied perceptions of occupational roles in children from first to eighth grades. According to a MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD dated 24 march 1960, the CIA's "interest is connected with the current problems of vocational guidance with possible applications to the selection of technical and scientific careers."



The materials for Subproject 117 have gone through many generations of photocopying and are very hard to read. The aim of the research was to study patterns of child discipline in families from a different culture. The CIA's interest in this Subproject is not clear but a MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD dated 10 May 1960 states that, "This Subproject was initiated at our request after consultation with chief, [whited out]."



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Another hurdle in completing Appendices C and D was explained by Dr. Robert Lashbrook, a CIA doctor involved in the death of Frank Olson. Olson was a Fort Detrick biological warfare expert who committed suicide after being given LSD hidden in Cointreau liqueur by Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, Director of MKULTRA. Olson's family determined that he had committed suicide subsequent to a bad LSD trip only after reading Nelson Rockefeller's 1975 Report on the CIA, published 22 years after Olson's death. They were given $750,000 in compensation by Congress. Dr. Lashbrook explained the CIA's filing system in Senate testimony transcribed in Human Drug Testing by the CIA, 1977 (page 111):



Dr. LASHBROOK: All right As I think I was intimating a little bit before, I cannot make much sense out of what you have read. It was intimated before, I think, a large part of the documents you have of this nature, are what we called boilerplate -



Senator KENNEDY: Excuse me?



Dr. LASHBROOK: Boilerplate. What was actually signed off on was not the same as the actual proposal, or actual project.



Senator KENNEDY: How frequently do you use boilerplate? Do you sign off on things that are not relevant to what is happening?



Dr. LASHBROOK: You have both. You have what you sign on, and the actual project, side by side.



Senator KENNEDY: Who had got the real file?



Dr. LASHBROOK: TSS. [Technical Services Staff of the CIA].



Senator KENNEDY: You mean this is not the real file. It is stamped top secret.



Dr. LASHBROOK: It is a real file. It is the one which goes through, receives the signatures, and is then filed.



Senator KENNEDY: It is what?



Dr. LASHBROOK: It is then filed?



Senator KENNEDY: It is a real file, but it does not mean anything, is that about what you are saying.



Dr. LASHBROOK: It has administrative value.



Senator KENNEDY: It is not telling what the story is?



Dr. LASHBROOK: That is right. Not necessarily.



Senator KENNEDY: Not necessarily?



Senator SCHWEIKER: What is this, a cover file? Do we have cover files? Is this what we are dealing with?



Dr. LASHBROOK: In a sense, and in a sense it was done for security. In other words, the files that went through the system and ended up in the financial Section - obviously TSS lost control of those files.



Senator SCHWEIKER: So the FBI had a "do not file" procedure designed to handle this sort of thing and the CIA has a cover file system to handle it. In this case, though, some of the cover files contain pretty damaging information that doesn't seem to reflect well on the Agency's use of human subjects - I wonder what the real files contain.



http://www.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm

When Saddam Hussein talked of 'the devil Bush' he may not have been so far from the truth. U.S. president George W. Bush, his father and grandfather are proven initiates of this multi-generational occult lodge. George W. was tapped (initiated) in 1968 at the group's Yale University HQ, a mausoleum known as 'the tomb'



John Kerry (D) and George W. Bush (R) both members of Skull and Bones, America's most powerful secret society



Adolf Hitler was also obsessed with the occult, in his case the Thule Society which was closely inter-connected with German Theosophists. The jolly roger, skull and cross bones, "der Totenkopf" was an emblem worn by Hitler's SS soldiers and emblazoned on SS armoured cars and tanks. The SS was a religious cult of Hitler worship. If the Nazis' occult lodges had been exposed and shut down, not treated as a taboo, millions of lives could have been saved. The second world war need never have happened. Unless you want the occult fuelling a totalitarian West's Third World War 'on terror' and their 'New World Order' - please - do your bit to expose the George W. Bush and the bonesmen.



Oct03 - Fleshing out Skull and Bones


Skull and Bones secret retreat: Deer Island (spelt 'Deer Iland')


24Oct03 - Yale Herald - Of skulls and bones: More secrets of the tomb


05Oct04 - CBS television 60 minutes - Skull And Bones


Symbolism of the Skull and Crossbones, otherwise known as the Deaths Head


22May03 - Strike The Root - Death's Head: Piracy, Plunder and Foreign Policy


Secrets of the Tomb book excerpt: The Legend of Skull and Bones


25Sep02 - USA Today - White House 'Bonesman' Leads Nation Into the Dark


04Sep02 - MSNBC - Skull and Bones, the Ivy League, and the Hidden Paths of Power


Tony Gosling - 18Aug02 - The Skull and Bones fraternity at Yale University


07Aug00 - Time Magazine - Proof that George W. Bush is a member of the Skull and Bones


George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography ~ Chapter 7 ~ Skull and Bones: The Racist Nightmare at Yale
1. Honeymoon
2. The Tomb
3. Britain's Yale Flying Unit
4. Other Important Bonesmen
5. Bush's Own Bones
6. The Yale Tories Who Made Skull and Bones
7. GUIDE TO THE YALE FAMILY CHART
8. NOTES


The Order of Skull and Bones - Chris Millegan (CTRL)
1. The Secret Origins of Skull & Bones
2. Secrets of the "Tomb"
3. Networks of Power
4. Name Roster of the Secret Establishment
5. China and the Opium Wars
6. The War on Drugs: An "Intellectual Fraud"
7. George Bush, Skull & Bones and the JFK Assassination
8. Motives for the Conspiracy
9. The Illuminati: Subverting the Body Politic
10. Skull & Bones = Illuminati?
11. World History: Plan or Accident?
Sources


23Apr01 - New York Observer - At Skull and Bones, Bush's Secret Club Initiates Ream Gore


old - CTRL report on Skull and Bones


23Dec02 - Tony (this page's editor) refused permission to be editor of open directory project page critical of the Skull and Bones


Some skull and bones links

http://www.thegiganticheartlessmultinat ... /id507.htm







http://universitypress.info/AmericaBetra href="http://universitypress.info/AmericaBetrayed.html" target=_top>America Betrayedhttp://universitypress.info/AmericaBetra href="http://universitypress.info/AmericaBetrayed.html" target=_top>


http://universitypress.info/AmericaBetra href="http://universitypress.info/AmericaBetrayed.html" target=_top>


Bush, bin Laden, 9-11


by R. Joseph, Ph.D.



University Press, 2nd Edition ISBN: 0971644578



Prescot Bush and Rockefeller's Standard Oil had been in business with the Hitler regime


and the Nazis since 1933, and in 1942, three Bush businesses were seized by the U.S. government, for violation of the Trading With the Enemies Act.



Three generations of the Bush clan became members of a German secret society: the


Yale chapter of the "Order of Skull and Bones." In Germany, the Order of Skull of Bones --


also known as "The Brotherhood of Death"-- gave rise to Hitler and the dreaded SS. Prescot


Bush, through his shipping company, became a special "Friend" of Himmler's SS--the same


SS which, in conjunction with IG Farbin, ran the concentration and slave labor camps.


The Bush clan and Rockefeller's standard Oil, were in business with IG Farben, as well as


with the Saudis who had also partnered with Hitler.



At the conclusion of WWII, and Germany's defeat, thousands of high ranking Nazis and SS


agents were recruited, by Bush-Rockefeller lawyer, Allen Dulles, into what would later become the CIA. Allen Dulles, and later, George Bush, would become directors of the CIA...

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Det med Skull n' Bones er vildt skummelt! Det er dog ikke nogen ny hemmelighed. Tror faktisk at der var en "60 Minutes" om emnet for et halvt års tid siden. At Hitler og SS også skulle være involveret er dog en anelse langt ude. Det må betragtes som et tilfælde at de to organisationer har valgt logoer, som minder om hinanden. (Det gør jo heller ikke nogen af dem til sørøvere, vel?). At SS skulle være en religiøs kult passer heller ikke. SS blev oprettet som en personlig livgarde for Hitler og de førende politikere i tyskland. Derudover blev der senere oprettet underkorpset Waffen-SS. -en enhed som deltog i de egentlige kamphandlinger.

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Det med Skull n' Bones er vildt skummelt! Det er dog ikke nogen ny hemmelighed. Tror faktisk at der var en "60 Minutes" om emnet for et halvt års tid siden. At Hitler og SS også skulle være involveret er dog en anelse langt ude. Det må betragtes som et tilfælde at de to organisationer har valgt logoer, som minder om hinanden. (Det gør jo heller ikke nogen af dem til sørøvere, vel?). At SS skulle være en religiøs kult passer heller ikke. SS blev oprettet som en personlig livgarde for Hitler og de førende politikere i tyskland. Derudover blev der senere oprettet underkorpset Waffen-SS. -en enhed som deltog i de egentlige kamphandlinger.

Men ellers rigtig spændende læsning!

/karma!


Er du nu helt sikker på at du har læst det hele?

George Bush's bedstefader Prescot Bush handlede med Nazi Tyskland og skulle eftersigende kende Hitler personligt, SS blev oprettet som et special korp ja, men mange af dem især officere var medlem af okkulte selvskaber, desuden så synes jeg det er mere nærliggende at sammenligne Thule selvskabet (det som Hitler højst sandsynligt var medlem af) og "Skull and Bones" (Hvor Prescot Bush var medlem)

Min these er at de har haft fælles interesser i handel og muligvis også delt synspunkter indenfor raceteorier.

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