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Hey alle jer her på psy(Alkymistens hjørne). Fandt en "opskrift" på coke extraction her i går,men har lidt spøgsmål iht. Kemikalier,osv. Nu er Coca blade jo ikke det letteste at opdrive, så skriver af ren og skær nysgerighed .- Liste med kemikalier der skal bruges:

- Coca blade

- Petroleum( Menthanol ?)

- Bage pulver( Na2co3) hvad er det kemiske navn Sodium Carbonat?

- H2o distilleret.

-Svolvsyre

- Kaliumperganat( 6% opløsning) fremgår ikke hvordan denne opløsing laves, men går ud fra blandes med H2o?

- Ammoniak vand 10% ("Salmiak spiritus?")

- HC1 (36%) Hvad er HC1?

- Acetone

- Ethyl æter! ( Er der andre mere tilgænglige solventer der kan bruges her, some ex. Rensebenzin ?)
Æter er jo kontrolleret substance, og hverken billigt eller let tilgængligt.

Håber at hør hvad i har af svar (Google har været brugt, men syntes ikke at rigtigt foklar det hele)

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HCl er saltsyre

Fedt, tak for svaret, Det spørgsmål mindre .

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Undskyld mit fransk, men.. Det her kan du ikke finde ud af, lad være.

Edit: Lad mig omformulere.. Du stiller intet spørgsmål

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Frugthat, skulle da mene at et "?"(Spøgsmålstegn) symbolisere et spøgsmål, både på dansk og fransk xD. Måske lidt svært at se eller noget, men syntes da selv det var mest tilpas, at sætte listen med kemikalierne op, og der efter sætte spøgsmålene ud fra hvert enkelt kemikalie, så folk kunne læse hvad spøgsmålet drejede sig om.

Kan gør det kort- Kan rensebenzin, bruges istedet for Ethyl Æteren some opløsnings middel. Ny her på forumet så skal da nok tag det til mig .- Tomaten

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Frugthat har fat i den lange ende her. Jeg vil kraftigt fraråde dig, at kaste dig ud i den slags køkkenkemi, når du ingen kemisk baggrundsviden har. Desuden stiller du ikke rigtig nogen spørgsmål til processen, som man må gå ud fra, er det væsentlige. Og så har du stavet størstedelen af kemikalierne forkert. Det tegner altså ikke for godt... Don't do it.

Faktisk er HCl ikke saltsyre. Saltsyre er en vandig opløsning af gassen HCl. Bare for at fluekneppe lidt

@Trådstarter: For at bage en kage skal der, udover en ingrediensliste, også bruges en fremgangsmåde. Det er jo ikke en "opskrift", du poster. Men kun en liste over materialer. Læs nogle bøger i gymnasiekemi C+B og lær noget mere om ekstraktion ved det. Så vil du få svar på dine spørgsmål.

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Petroleum og methanol er ikke det samme. Methanol er også kaldet træsprit..
Na2CO3 hedder natriumkarbonat på dansk(natrium og sodium er det samme) også kaldet soda.

Men hvad er det din nysgerrighed går ud på? Fremstilling af kokain er ikke det mest simple man lige kan rode sig ud i, hvis du ingen eller minimal forståelse for kemi har.

Hvis det er kemi du har en interesse i, findes der simplere ting som f.eks hydrolyse og ekstraktioner der er nemmere at give sig i kast med og forstå for den sags skyld.

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Har skam opskriften, men ville ikke poste den da min sidste post angående spøgsmål til fremgangs måden shake N bake meth blev slettet. Lige for at slå fast med 7 tommer søm. Jeg er ikke ude på at fremstille kokain via denne syntese, eller meth for den sags skyld. Har ikke den store viden inden for kemi, så opfatter det nærmest som magi, og prøver at forstå syntesen xD. Nok filosofi. Syntes frugten gav mig en over næbet, men at resten falder i... Da jeg jo forklar den fremgangs måde jeg har valgt at sætte topic op på. Er det ikke lavt?. Som jeg siger, er jeg ikke intresseret i at fremstille coke i mit køkken, for hvor i alverden skulle jeg få de satans coca blade fra? xD. Hvis du syntes Tomaten virker lidt pissed så kan du da forstå noget xD, men da også meget glad for det konstruktive som jeg har kunne snuse mig frem til, i mellem alt det lort. Inderligt mange tak

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Syntes da endeligt at det er lidt monty at i vælger, at sætte spøgsmål ved mine evner inden for kemi. Hvad siger din fornuft?,tror sq ik jeg havde spurgt ind til det,hvis jeg havde en P.HD i kemi, eller bare en basal gym viden på B xD. Meget let spøgsmål hvis man kendte svaret- Kan Kokain synteseres, uden Ethyl Æter, og som Rense Benzin som alternativt solvent/opløsnings middel som damper af(flygtigt?) . Vil da gerne lyde meget klog på noget jeg ikke ved en skid om, hvis den bare fomulering gør dette mere forklarligt/ forståligt. Igen jeg er ikke på svinertogt, men prøver endelig bare at gør det jeg selv ønsker fra dette topic.Nemmelig et svar på tiltale. Spøgsmålet er enkelt, har læst harm reduction sited, behøver ikke den højre engle

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Men vi prøver da-
Cocaine extraction from Coca Leaves

Reagents Needed:
Kerosene
Solid Na2CO3
Distilled H2O
H2SO4 5%
Solid KMnO4 (6% Solution is used)
NH4OH 10%
HCl 37%
Acetone
Diethyl Ether

A solution of containing 900gr of Na2CO3 dissolved in 9,5L was prepared, 5 kilo Coca leaf added

4,750 grams of
coca leaves were mixed with this solution, using 1900ml of solution
for each kilo of leaves. The mixing procedure was carried out in small batches of 500gr to distribute
the water evenly. The leaves don’t get too wet: water hardly comes out if you squeeze a handful


All the moistened leaves were put in an open top 50L container. 30 more minutes were waited and
then 25L of kerosene were added to the container.
The mixture was left for 3 full nights (totalling ~60hours) and during the course of the 3 days it was
stirred at least 4 times in sessions of about 10-15mins using a drill mounted with that tool used by
plasterers/decorators to mix buckets of paint with water.

After 3 nights the kerosene was separated from the leaves (no water layer forms). The procedure
was carried out this way: all the kerosene on top was poured out in another 50L container filtering it
with some nylon stockings to prevent leaves from getting into the receiving container. The
remaining leaves were put, little by little, in a bucket with holes on the bottom while squeezing the

kerosene out into a receiving bucket under the one with holes (a nylon stocking was used again
between the 2 buckets). All the kerosene was the poured in the other 50L container.

A 5% w/w solution of H2SO4 was prepared (this passage was done earlier).
2 extractions with 5% H2SO4 were performed. The first one with 300ml the second with 100ml.
Each time the container was shaken very hard (some emulsions form but almost nothing) for 30
minutes and allowed to separate. The acidic water layer on the bottom was recovered each time
using the old suck into the tube trick: the container was put 1 meter above ground, tilted 45% then
a Polypropylene tube attached to a rod was driven inside the container to point at the lowest
possible spot inside the container and some sucking was performed on the other end of the tube.
The H2SO4 started to come into a receiving container along with some kerosene as well towards
the end. The 400ml of H2SO4, that we should call ‘agua rica’, and some kerosene were put in a 1L
sep funnel and let sit for ~30 minutes then separated. The emulsion was filtered and some more
agua rica was recovered.

A solution of 6% KMnO4 was prepared and chilled in the fridge (this passage was done earlier).
An ice bath was prepared and the beaker containing the agua rica was put there to chill until the
temperature reached 4-5° C. The colour of the liquid is reddish brown like red beer.
Every 5-10 minutes 16ml of the KMnO4 solution were added with vigorous stirring. 8 additions
were made, totalling 128ml. After the last addition 30 minutes were waited and then the solution
was filtered.

MnO2 stayed on the filter and the resulting liquid (oxidized agua rica) is now fairly colourless

A 10% w/w solution of NH4OH was prepared (this passage was done earlier).
An excess of this solution was slowly added until ph ~10. This passage was done very carefully
making sure ph do not rise above 10 since it would damage the alkaloid.
The Cocaine freebase starts precipitating and after about 20-30 minutes the solution was filtered. A
lot of material was also stuck on the stirring rod and on the beaker.
Everything was let dry overnight and some more drying was performed the morning after in the
oven.
The resulting material was dissolved in ~100-150ml of ether in the same container used the day
before (the one with a lot stuck on the sides) and most of it dissolved but some dark brown goo that
stayed on the bottom (probably still a little bit of water and some inorganic salt); so little anyway
that it was not difficult to pour all the ether on a Pyrex baking dish to evaporate without pouring the
goo, that basically stayed glued to the bottom wall of the beaker.
Once evaporated a very nice crystal formation was noted and the white freebase was recovered with
the aid of a razorblade and weighted 23,13g.

FINISH:
240ml of acetone were dried with anhydrous potassium carbonate and an equimolar quantity of HCl
(6.58ml) was calculated and added to it. The calculation was done considering that only 230ml were
going to be used.
The freebase was dissolved in 240ml of ether and the acetone/HCl solution was added with stirring
the beaker was capped with cling film to prevent solvents from evaporation. After ~30 minutes
some more stirring was performed and the some more acetone/HCl was added drop wise until there
was no more visible reaction (this can only be done when the solution is let sit for a little bit and is
clear and not milky, as you would not notice it).

hours were waited and the solution was filtered. The filtrate was dried and weighted 24,14g.
Yield (Cocaine HCl): 24,14g Cocaine HCl / 4750g leaves = 0.5%

The process can be easily scaled down with the only precaution of using more H2SO4 than the
proportional equivalent since it would be very impractical to use less than 50 ml in a 2 phase
extraction. Just bear in mind that the more H2SO4 you use the more Cocaine base you lose when
you precipitate it with ammonia (0,17g every 100ml) even though the loss is reasonable to consider
2 extractions of 70ml and 50ml for 500-1000gr of leaves.

- Coke til folket....

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Hellere være idiot,end en Nyttig Idiot for han ved det ikke selv, men slår i luften og famler i blinde

Du fremstiller ikke kokain. Du ekstraherer det. Det er derfor ikke en syntese.

Tomaten, jeg har heller ingen faglig dokumentation for min viden om kemi udover den smule man har i folkeskolen - jeg er først lige startet på kemi C for nyligt.

Min pointe er bare at du er nødt til at have forståelse for andre ting end blot hvad de forskellige reaktanter hedder og hvad de evt. kan erstattes med hvis de er utilgængelige. Ekstraktionen af kokain er en noget lang process i forhold til mange andre simplere ekstraktioner.

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/c ... ion.html#2 - Denne er måske lidt nemmere at forstå, da der bliver forklaret en hel del om processen istedet for at det blot er en step-by-step guide

Men igen, start dog et nemmere sted og kig på f.eks:
Ekstraktion af DMT fra M. hostilis
Ekstration af LSA vha. Isopropylalkohol

Det er sikkert nemmere at få en forståelse for kokain ekstraktion når du forstår nogle lidt simplere ekstraktioner.

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@tomaten: Den vil sikkert virke. Men der er jo ingen mening med det her topic. Hvis du alligevel ikke forstår ekstraktionen, kan det umuligt ha nogen "teoretisk værdi" for dig. Tak for dette komplet ubrugelige topic

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BlazR for svarene, og tak for linket var pænt intressant . IMP, er da glad for at du kunne bruge lidt af din dyrebare tid, på at rent faktiske fylde topic med lort. Ved sgu ik rigtigt hvor du vil hen med din attitude. Så spørg da lige dig selv hvad har du bidraget?... Syntes sgu det er pænt Ubrugeligt, at du syntes det her er ubrugeligt. Så vi så vidt. BlazR thumps up!
Btw. Køkkent syns da udmiddlebart som et bedre alternativ,i stedet for et eller anden jungle hvor alt det kemiske affald ryger lige luk ud i min egen "baghave" og drikkevand, og ødelægger divs. Dyr og plante liv
Vis de kan kan det så ik være så svært?

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